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[Frank]

NOT YELLING JUST NEEDED A WAY TO SEPERATE MY RESPONSES FROM THE QUOTED PART. OHHHH SO YOU MEAN WE SHOULD HAVE JUST STOPPED PLAYING BECAUSE WE KNEW RAIDS WERE COMING FOR HOW MANY MONTHS? SAY OH IMMA DO NOTHING AND JUST WAIT? THAT MAKES NO SENSE TO BE PUNISHED BECAUSE WE WANTED TO PLAY THE GAME? THIS MIGHT MAKE MORE SENSE FOR THE HARDCORE MODE BECAUSE ITS THE NEWEST AND IT TOUTS SEPARATE ECONOMY FOR THOSE WHO DIDNT LIKE THE NORMAL MODE ONE OR ITS ECONOMY. MAYBE...... I STILL THINK IT WOULD BE UNFAIR BUT POSSIBLY THE LEAST IMPACTIVE TO THE OVERALL PLAYER BASE.

No, I'm trying to make clear that it's not a punishment. You'd be refunded for your effort in some way, a way that you'd all need to agree with, naturally.
And to be clear, this is another Dalton fuck up.. yes.

What do you do with all the items you have currently? More boss slayer? boring.

ITS VALID YOUR BELIEFS BUT JUST AS VALID ARE OTHERS BELIEFS. I LOVE BOSSING, LOVE IT IN PART BECAUSE I LIKE SEEING THOSE BIG HITS, TRYING TO FINISH FASTER FOR *GASP* MORE BOSSING. AT FIRST I HAD TO HAVE HELP BUT WITH THE EARNING OF RAID ITEMS I KNOW CHALLENGE MYSELF WITH BOSSING SOLO ALMOST ALWAYS. TRYING DIFFERENT COMBINATIONS AND STYLES. DONT LIKE BOSSING WELL LEMME TELL YA THERE IS SKILLING, AND PKING, AND REG SLAYER TO APPEASE YOU AND OTHER PVM ASPECTS AS WELL, GROWING STEADILY WITH EVERY NEW UPDATE.

I'm sorry but in this situation your personal experience and beliefs are a non factor. You're not the average player, your personal achievements posted are beyond most. I don't mean that as an insult. Also, you'll enjoy raids for the exact same reasons you love bossing.

Personally I'm going to do raids either way, I'd just like other people to raid with. No one's going to care about getting items that the markets already flooded with because there's been nothing to do other than boss slayer since forever.

IF THIS WERE TRUELY THE CASE, IF THEY WONT RAID BECAUSE THEY ALREADY HAVE THE ITEMS, THEN PPL WOULDN'T BE DOING THEM NOW IN BETA OR WANTING THEM AND ASKING FOR THEM LIKE THEY HAVE FOR HOW MANY MONTHS NOW? AGAIN IF WE HAVE MORE AND MORE PPL JOIN THE FLOODED MARKET WILL BALANCE AND WE WILL KEEP THE PLAYER BASE WE HAVE NOW AND MORE WILL COME. ITS SIMPLE MATHEMATICS. I ONLY WANT RAIDS BECAUSE IT MAKES THE PLAYERS HAPPY THAT WANT RAIDS. THEY ARE NOT SOMETHING I WILL PARTICIPATE IN WILLINGLY BUT IF MY FRIENDS CAN CONVINCE ME MAYBE I WILL BUT LIKE CORP AND A FEW OTHER THINGS HERE I HATE I DO IT BECAUSE IT MAKES THEM HAPPY. I SURMISE THAT PPL WILL RAID WITH YOU AS WELL FRANK FOR THE SIMPLE REASON THEY ARE YOUR FRIENDS OR THEY THINK THEY CAN GAIN FROM THE EXPERIENCE OR BOTH

People are doing them because they're desperate for content. Content dies without relevancy.. See where I'm going with this?

You'd be refunded boss points, by way for item exchange and OR tasks done with a suitable set of items found to replace the raid items in boss shop.

REFUND MY BOSS POINTS FOR STUFF I DONT WANT WHILE TAKING THINGS I DO AND STILL WANT TO KEEP? DOESNT SOUND FAIR OR REASONABLE. WHO DETERMINES SUITABLE? I COULDN'T CARE LESS ABOUT RARES OR COSMETICS ITS ALL ABOUT FUNCTIONALITY TO ME. I GOT 200M MAGIC WITH MY ANCESTRAL AND KODAI. I HAVE SPENT HOURS WEARING IT. ITS IRREPLACEABLE ASK ANYONE WHO HAS OFFERED ME A SHIT TON OF MONEY FOR IT. 600M FOR MY KODAI NTY I PASSED. BOTTOM LINE THERE IS NOTHING SUITABLE, EXCEPT NOT TAKING THEM AWAY

None of these items are real.. You're a Dalton falling over a laptop away from having nothing. You determine what's suitable! As a poll based majority..

Perhaps a way to do this would to add a special tag or color or identifier to raid items that are earned doing raids. I assume part of raid items are the kudos and admiration surrounding getting them from raids and this would keep them prestigious. This could make them worth more as well. They would be a rare so to speak.

Something like that could work, could well be the easiest solution tbh.

[potatoisback]

i agree with fila.

[FILA]

[QUOTE=Frank;33624]No, I'm trying to make clear that it's not a punishment. You'd be refunded for your effort in some way, a way that you'd all need to agree with, naturally.
And to be clear, this is another Dalton fuck up.. yes.

******Punishment is perhaps the wrong term. Penalized is perhaps better because there is nothing being offered that comes close to being equal to what the time, strategic actions and irl money thru bonds purchased to gain or make it easier to gain thru row and membership some of the items that are being discussed. I dont think there is any way that we, as a group of players, are going to agree on this issue. One group will lose things they already have whether compensated or not while one group loses nothing but gains a projected potential outcome. To strip away and take things earned or purchased for a chance, a maybe potential scenario, to me sounds like the 'fuck up' not what has already occurred. *****

I'm sorry but in this situation your personal experience and beliefs are a non factor. You're not the average player, your personal achievements posted are beyond most. I don't mean that as an insult. Also, you'll enjoy raids for the exact same reasons you love bossing.

***** Actually everyones personal feelings, beliefs and experiences are quite valid factors since they are the reasons the choice was made to play this server and continue to play it, support it with irl donations and vote for it. Your projections of what will happen if items are not removed, your feelings, are what drives you to make those assumptions. Its simple facts that I am 'not the average player' in just about every way possible, including non botted non afk play time no arguments there and certainly no offense taken . It possibly gives me a quite different prospective for my assessments but regardless my personal differences dont make my arguments a 'non factor'.

(I will not 'love raids' for the same reason I cant do some of the bosses. Its not pleasant to have my disability smacking me in the face and I dont want to be carried by players that are able to click precisely and make timely weapon and armor switches. It still stings that I was told told to go stand in a corner out of the way on BS before doing that quest where you had the 2 rooms to kill in less than a min from one another. Because I kept miss clicking on the 3rd attempt they said just follow us and stay out of the way....Its one reason I rarely boss with other people or boss with people that wont get upset at my miss clicks because I dont do things like most players do and have to figure out what works best for me on my own.) *******


People are doing them because they're desperate for content. Content dies without relevancy.. See where I'm going with this?

****People do it for the rewards and as I have heard Dalton say more than once resetting, because essentially if you take away part of things earned from everyone thats a sort of reset, has been a downfall that to this day has been hard to overcome. People dont want resets and the past decisions to reset have been disastrous and part of the reason people are hesitant to play according to him I have had people try to talk me into playing osrs and others servers for the same reasonings. Yes content dies without relevancy. Its the player base that determines relevancy. We are gaining new players every day with whats being offered and Daltons continued and consistent involvement and wizard like coding skills *****

None of these items are real.. You're a Dalton falling over a laptop away from having nothing. You determine what's suitable! As a poll based majority..

*****Real meh they are pixels not physically tangible but what is real is time investment and money spent. Its Daltons past non involvement, from what other players have told me and what I observed in the BS before this one, that has hurt the Battlescape mantra as well. That can only be corrected with actions and time. I honestly feel that were he to have been around for the BS before like he has been this release that that one would still be flourishing. Yes I am aware that with the press of a button or a laptop disaster that BS could be gone in a flash. It happened with the BS before and that was sad but survivable lol.*****


Something like that could work, could well be the easiest solution tbh.

*****YES the players can keep their non raid gained items and the raid gained items be differentiated in some way. it would add more diversified content and help BS offer something other servers dont have further making us stand out. ****

PS I WISH THIS TOPIC WAS PLACED INTO ITS OWN THREAD WITH A TITLE THAT REFLECTED ITS CONTENT SO OTHERS MIGHT BE MORE APT TO COMMENT...

[Oi Lollipop]

My suggestion is to either remove raid items and give the correct amount of boss slayer points for them OR just keep the raid items in-game.

IF you are going to remove them and give the correct amount of boss slayer points, i suggest adding some good items to the shop. Without raid items the shop is pretty much useless.
Suggestions to add to boss slayer shop:

3rd age box - contains every 3rd age peice from 3rd age armour peices to weapons. Same rates for each 3rd age piece.(we can decide the price)

Partyhat box - contains every partyhat in-game. Black phat at 50% chance, Rainbow phat at 25% chance. Regular partyhats 4.16% chance (which would mean the set would be 25% total chance)

H'ween mask box - Contains every h'ween. Black h'ween at 70% chance, red blue and green at 10% each.

Santa hat box - Contains every santa hat ingame. Black santa at 80% chance, regular santa at 10%, inverted santa at 10%

Maybe add some random cosmetic peices e.g. Flippers, sythe, sled.

[Zhang Xiu]

My suggestion is to either remove raid items and give the correct amount of boss slayer points for them OR just keep the raid items in-game.

IF you are going to remove them and give the correct amount of boss slayer points, i suggest adding some good items to the shop. Without raid items the shop is pretty much useless.
Suggestions to add to boss slayer shop:

3rd age box - contains every 3rd age peice from 3rd age armour peices to weapons. Same rates for each 3rd age piece.(we can decide the price)

Partyhat box - contains every partyhat in-game. Black phat at 50% chance, Rainbow phat at 25% chance. Regular partyhats 4.16% chance (which would mean the set would be 25% total chance)

H'ween mask box - Contains every h'ween. Black h'ween at 70% chance, red blue and green at 10% each.

Santa hat box - Contains every santa hat ingame. Black santa at 80% chance, regular santa at 10%, inverted santa at 10%

Maybe add some random cosmetic peices e.g. Flippers, sythe, sled.

Something along the lines of this may work but only if people aren't forced to lose their items. The only way this will work is if people are given the option to get rid of their current raid items. They shouldn't be forced to lose what they currently have. It's the only valid option in which palidino has. If some people have the option to swap their raid items for something of value to them then people will do so of their free will. They should also have the option to keep what they currently own.

In my opinion it's the best option, Yes there will still be a majority of raid item's in the game but people will also choose to exchange them of their free will meaning less raid item's in game. The people which should choose to keep their item's are happy because it doesn't affect them & there shall be less of these item's in game due to people exchanging.

AGAIN - People need to be given a choice. If the item's in which they will be exchanging their raid item's for aren't reasonable then people won't do it.


Whatever people are offering as solutions need to look at things on both sides of the argument. Whichever Palidino decided to do needs to effect both sides as little as possible and I feel this is the best way to do it.

People will disagree and that's fine they're welcome to their opinion but at least show some alternatives in which both sides will be happy.

Regardless to whether or not Raid item's shouldn't of been added before raids release currently doesn't matter because it's happened. People have the items, spent time or money getting them. They shouldn't be forced to lose them and if you think this is them being stubborn or whatever you're wrong.

[Banned 42]

What I've lately noticed is that many old players have left the Battlescape, but those have been replaced with new players. There's lots of players requesting help in the clan chat and this wasn't a thing few weeks ago. People will always be upset if something is taken from them, but I think that's what is needed to be done for future of this server.
There's been good suggestions in this thread about how to get rid of the raids that affect the economy after the raids minigame is fully released.

Option 1
Xfer raid items back to points and re-do the shop for that points shop. The shop could contain some rares and skilling supplies as example.

Option 2
Add unique item id for the current raid items and make them untradeable. This way they cannot be taken to the wilderness, so only can be used for PvM.
The new raid items that are acquired from the minigame could be traded and used anywhere.

[Ollie V1]

What I've lately noticed is that many old players have left the Battlescape, but those have been replaced with new players. There's lots of players requesting help in the clan chat and this wasn't a thing few weeks ago. People will always be upset if something is taken from them, but I think that's what is needed to be done for future of this server.
There's been good suggestions in this thread about how to get rid of the raids that affect the economy after the raids minigame is fully released.

Option 1
Xfer raid items back to points and re-do the shop for that points shop. The shop could contain some rares and skilling supplies as example.

Option 2
Add unique item id for the current raid items and make them untradeable. This way they cannot be taken to the wilderness, so only can be used for PvM.
The new raid items that are acquired from the minigame could be traded and used anywhere.

Reasons many old players left Battlescape is the increase of new players who are skillers/PvMer's - Pking diminished from what I can see lol BS was known mainly due to the Pking community and old RS players who wanted to relive 07 back when BS was open in 2008-2010. Obviously times change so nothing can be done but it is what it is.

[Banned 42]

Reasons many old players left Battlescape is the increase of new players who are skillers/PvMer's - Pking diminished from what I can see lol BS was known mainly due to the Pking community and old RS players who wanted to relive 07 back when BS was open in 2008-2010. Obviously times change so nothing can be done but it is what it is.

You're very wrong by saying that nothing can be done. The problem is that BS is currently created to serve the pvmers.

[FILA]

This statement and many others like it has always made me curious as to how pvmers and skillers effect pkers at all? Other than them providing access to items by selling to them or when they are pked I just dont understand why there cant be lots of all kinds of players.

Reasons many old players left Battlescape is the increase of new players who are skillers/PvMer's - Pking diminished from what I can see lol BS was known mainly due to the Pking community and old RS players who wanted to relive 07 back when BS was open in 2008-2010. Obviously times change so nothing can be done but it is what it is.

[Frank]

The non-factor remark was in context of what's applicable to a majority. With item loss, feels over-shadow the greater good. Yes there are multiple opinions, of which your side I see as being based on feels.

The in-out numbers we're currently seeing I'd argue is because of the economy that no one is willing to budge on.

I'd say the one reason we are where we are today is Dalton's inability to have both money and interest. (little known fact, that "accidental" reset was unwanted economy control & the server grew after)

This may sound cold but your disability is another reason your personal experience doesn't apply to a majority. I assume this to be deep rooted and me saying this hollow, but you shouldn't feel like you do. You login to play for your entertainment, if people get angry because you're not tick efficient then that's kinda of tough shit. I understand you'd prefer to not have reasons for people to not include you but if this is their reasoning, they're probably ass-holes. People take me bossing and I suck hehe.

This whole argument seems redundant now anyways, I think the solutions mentioned by people here are better than mine.